Nazi dancers at UKIP’s Margate Conference

March 2, 2015

Roger Helmer of UKIP whining as usual. I’ve decided – not for the first time when dealing with a ‘Kipper – to reblog his post when offering my comments, because I have no reason to expect Helmer to authorise any comments that disagree with him. Certainly, the comments thread below his post gives a very strong impression of an ‘echo chamber’.

Here are my thoughts…
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‘UKIP’s Party Conference in Margate on February 28th was gate-crashed by a group of dancers wearing Nazi Swastikas, and accompanied by a tank.’

Not that I am exactly defending the people who did this, but does Helmer have any thoughts on the Britain First foam-at-the-mouths who are driving around trying to ‘protect’ Nigel Farage in a militarised land rover? So far, UKIP have sounded far less bothered by BF members roaming the streets in their name looking for a fight than they do by a rather tasteless practical joke.

‘Let’s pause and consider for a moment. Remember the furore when Prince Harry wore Nazi insignia to a fancy-dress party? The press (and especially the left-wing press) gave him a roasting. Or when Tory MP Aidan Burley did a similar thing in 2014? Imagine if you or I showed up in a Nazi uniform and said “But it’s just a bit of fun”. Or “We were only having a laugh”.’

Except, they were not *only* ‘having a laugh’, they were making a point. Whether you agree with their point or not, they were not dressing up just for fun, which is what Prince Harry was doing back when he dressed up as a Commandante.

It’s also worth pointing out that the publicity stunt was not a parody of the Nazis, it was a parody of a musical movie made in the late 1960’s.

This is not to say that I agree with what they did. I am very much a believer in Godwin’s Law and I do not think the people who trigger it are doing anything sophisticated.

‘…they seem to have taken at least one move out of Herr Goebbels‘ play-book. He reportedly said “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”.’

Oh dear, here we go again. Now, at the risk of digressing, it’s worth pointing out this is itself a Godwin’s Law trigger, by making dubious comparisons between Nazis and the modern Left.

But more to the point, why does it not surprise me that a pseudo-scholar like Helmer would be yet another of the fools who put those words in the mouth of Joseph Goebbels? Vile man though he was, and much as the thought of him makes my skin crawl, this unceasing quotation attributed to Goebbels is simply a red herring. There is no record whatever in Goebbels’ own time of him ever saying such a thing, and it would be completely inane if he did; a propagandist openly admitting that he is lying is not going to do a very effective job.

http://truthisthegreatestenemyofthestate.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/the-state-of-dubious-goebbels-quotation.html

“And on that scale, UKIP, a libertarian party, is diametrically opposed to the authoritarian fascists of the both the left and the right — and indeed to the theocratic fascists of the ISIS death cult.”

Says a ‘Libertarian’ who is opposed to gay rights, women’s rights, and workers’ rights? Says a ‘Libertarian’ who effectively promotes turning Britain into a Christian theocracy? Says a man whose economics blogposts invariably call for the wealth of the already-wealthy to be protected and kept from redistribution, thus keeping the poor imprisoned in poverty? Says an unsophisticated Climate Change Denialist who tries to maintain and enhance the enormous power and wealth of Big Oil plutocrats by pretending he knows better than the people who actually *study* Climate Science (seriously, Helmer is so basic in his denialism that he still invokes the total bunkum idea that there has been “no warming for 18 years”, which is a claim arrived at by the most flagrant bit of cherry-picking from a graph that it doesn’t even pass as pseudo-science.) Says a member of a party whose membership, as I pointed out above, refuses to publish comments on their blogs from people who disagree with them? That is what he means by Libertarianism?

(See this reply I made to Andrew Mountford AKA ‘Jez Pen’, to a falsified blogpost he had written about climate change.

https://thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/its-politics-not-science-driving-climate-mania-why-are-environmentalists-and-scientists-so-reluctant-to-discuss-long-term-increases-in-southern-hemisphere-sea-ice/

There is a link to Mountford’s original post on there, and you can see if you follow it that he deleted all trace of my reply.)

Helmer’s ‘cure’ for authoritarianism is as ridiculous as George Osborne’s ‘cure’ for the economic chaos of the last seven years – keep doing more of the same things that created the problems in the first place. Osborne tries to prevent a new Credit Crunch by encouraging even more excessive private borrowing, and Helmer tries to prevent authoritarianism by reinforcing established elites.

The self-serving doublethink would be funny were it not for where it would lead to.

I agree the stunt was a bit tasteless (although not altogether unfunny), but Helmer needs to pause and ask himself what the real reason is why his party is associated with extremism and racism. He puts it down to ‘propaganda’ by the left, but the avalanche of examples of xenophobic and racist remarks coming from members of UKIP are not just ‘made up’. The real issue, as I stated the other day, is that UKIP appeals to extremism, whether it intends to or not. And if it doesn’t want the associations that leads to, its leaders have to do more than just say, “We’re not racist.” They have to demand that racists stop supporting them and go elsewhere.

Roger Helmer MEP

UKIP’s Party Conference in Margate on February 28th was gate-crashed by a group of dancers wearing Nazi Swastikas, and accompanied by a tank.  They came from Mel Brooks’ Musical Show “The Producers”.  The organisers had spotted an opportunity to generate some publicity while taking a pot-shot at UKIP.

Let’s pause and consider for a moment.  Remember the furore when Prince Harry wore Nazi insignia to a fancy-dress party? The press (and especially the left-wing press) gave him a roasting.  Or when Tory MP Aidan Burley did a similar thing in 2014?    Imagine if you or I showed up in a Nazi uniform and said “But it’s just a bit of fun”.  Or “We were only having a laugh”.

It’s totally unacceptable to use Nazi insignia in that way — unless, of course, you’re taking a pot-shot at UKIP, in which case the criticism in the Daily Mirror is lukewarm…

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